This board has been through all sorts of episodes over the few years it has existed. Let's see:
Bill White
W.R. coup and then departure of this little faction
FBI and jewsmedia infestation after the Judge who put Hale away found Hubby dead at home
Numerous anti shutdowns
the server being pulled and no forum for over a week
pornogate

There was the whole 9-11 and tabloid debates that went on and on...
Sorry, so many memories and we've only been around for 3 years.

I think Flynn, J.P. and Subrosa.
Sutter? not sure. Seems to be he may have other concerns going on. If he wouldn't always flame sure. Doesn't seem to be capable of this though.

Perhaps we can convince A.E. to come back. He was the best Mod. we ever had here.
Oh yes, maybe that porno pic wasn't the best idea of the year, huh?

There should be a list of mods somewhere and who is the head mod.

You should get out of the General Discussion section once in a while.

"View Forum Leaders"

The White race doesn't need a lot of jew-like top-down control.

That's funny coming from a guy who wanted me banned to OpFor because I don't worship St. Kaminski!

You should get out of the General Discussion section once in a while.

"View Forum Leaders"

Thank you, RM. I guess I should get out more. Glad to see there is such a list. What is the difference between an administrator, a moderator, and a super moderator?

That's funny coming from a guy who wanted me banned to OpFor because I don't worship St. Kaminski!

Well, that's slightly disingenuous of you, isn't it? It wasn't just because you didn't worship Kaminski -- but the way you didn't worship Kaminski. Note my last sentence in that very post:

BTW, I think the only people (with a few exceptions) who should be booted out of the regular VNN forums are those who, in the pattern of their posts, show kikehood or enemyhood beyond a reasonable doubt.

As you can see, I'm actually very consistent in my view of who should be booted into the Op Forum: kikes or enemies. Period. Now, you can argue with me, with validity perhaps on your side, as to whether you had evinced sufficient kikeness in your posts to warrant the containment. And you might well be right. But, if I were a mod, before I acted on any such inclination, I would review your posting history for kikish patterns. Moreover, if it ever got to the point of a long term containment or outright banning you, I would now (on further consideration about this entire subject) bring the matter up before the VNN forum in general -- for input from other members. Many heads are better than one.

Thanks for raising your point, though, RM. It was fair to bring it up. And it serves as an illustration by extension as to how to handle suspected kikes. (I'm not now saying you are such. But a red flag went up in my mind on that day -- and, were I a mod, I would have researched the question further.)

Well, that's slightly disingenuous of you, isn't it? It wasn't just because you didn't worship Kaminski -- but the way you didn't worship Kaminski. Note my last sentence in that very post:

As you can see, I'm actually very consistent in my view of who should be booted into the Op Forum: kikes or enemies. Period. Now, you can argue with me, with validity perhaps on your side, as to whether you had evinced sufficient kikeness in your posts to warrant the containment. And you might well be right. But, if I were a mod, before I acted on any such inclination, I would review your posting history for kikish patterns. Moreover, if it ever got to the point of a long term containment or outright banning you, I would now (on further consideration about this entire subject) bring the matter up before the VNN forum in general -- for input from other members. Many heads are better than one.

Thanks for raising your point, though, RM. It was fair to bring it up. And it serves as an illustration by extension as to how to handle suspected kikes. (I'm not now saying you are such. But a red flag went up in my mind on that day -- and, were I a mod, I would have researched the question further.)

You would have to be clairvoyant to know this about RM. How do you know the guy isn't just another pissed off White man who, for whatever reason, happens not to like Kaminski?

This is what I have been trying to say since day one. These attempts at sniffing out alleged jews, anti's etc is pointless. Lets say we start banning people we think are anti's. I guarantee you for every real jew we scoped out 2 innocent White guys will get blindsided in the process.

But lets say we had a perfect system. Lets say we could identify every troublemaker on this board with %100 accuracy. It would still be pointless because we can beat these morons in open, fair debate anyday of the week. I mean comon....this is VNN. Does anybody think that some halfwit jew can waltz in here and use his super powers of cunning and deception on us? Bahaa!

Besides, I like it when anti's and jews come here because I get to watch some of the big brain VNNers beat the crap out of them.

RE: Steve B

Sit down in that chair!

Fred - Tie him up and turn on the interrogation lamp.

Now Steve, why is it that we get the feeling that you don’t worship Kaminski? Haven’t we been good to you here? Haven’t we provided a place where you can be happy and where you can recite odes of joy to your heart’s content?

Now, out of the blue, comes this Kaminski problem. This is a problem that we will solve right here - tonight!

Fred - My medical kit!

Now Steve.......Is it safe to worship Kaminski?

Is it safe?

Is it safe? - Are you talking to me?

Is it safe? - Is what safe?

Is it safe? - I don't know what you mean.

I can't tell you if something is safe or not unless I know specifically what you're talking about.

Is it safe?

Tell me what the "it" refers to.

Is it safe?

Yes, it's safe. It's very safe. So safe you wouldn't believe it.

Is it safe?

No, it's not safe. It's very dangerous. Be careful.

Relax, relax. Come on. Open.

Open. It's OK.

That hurt? I should think it would.

You should take better care of your teeth. You have quite a cavity here.
Is it safe? - I told you I can't tell you...

Think he knows? - Of course. He's being very stubborn.

No, please. Please don't. No.

It's OK.

Is it not remarkable?

Simple oil of cloves and how amazing the results.

Life can be that simple; relief - discomfort.

Now, which of these I next apply, that decision is in your hands, so take your time and tell me.

Is it safe to worship Kaminski?

Please...Please stop!

Let me tell you a story about the house went blue:

Two brothers of mine had such deep hatred, it torn the family apart all because of a business transaction .The deep hatred against each others, it divided the family apart. Taking sides, and feeding more fuel to the fire.

I myself,rather taking sides, I decided to remain neutral, and contradict the two.

Making mountains out of mole-hills, it brings out the worst of the worst,
and everything is thrown out of the window,even the kitchen sink.

As far as Sutter, Flynn and others whom folks here feel was unjust for the banning, it is up to them and the administrations. That is, we can offer neutral opinions.

Now, if Sutter, Flynn and others wish to return, it is up to them, not us. In the meantime, carry on about your business.

Uhh... You might want to read the thread title and the first post.

Sutter should be reinstated immediately. In fact, he never should have been banned at all, IMO. Flynn should also be allowed back. Just don't make him a mod cuz he was damn near as bad as AM/Beck was.

Esentially, you are calling for VNN forum members to police the board themselves. Interesting concept, VNN's never tried that one.

Just who the fuck banned Auggie and why??? The man is (was) a top-knotch contributor to this forum.

Also, Steve-o: Didn't John leave of his own accord amid the VNN homepage porn thing? We lost a lot of excellent people over that little fiasco. Fuckin' shame...

One more thing: If I'm not mistaken, when this board re-opened the second time around in 12/03, there were no moderators at all, correct? That's what I heard anyway. When I started posting a month later, we had only one mod and that was Georgie. And things ran quite smoothly as I remember.

Sutter should be reinstated immediately. In fact, he never should have been banned at all, IMO. Flynn should also be allowed back. Just don't make him a mod cuz he was damn near as bad as AM/Beck was.

Esentially, you are calling for VNN forum members to police the board themselves. Interesting concept, VNN's never tried that one. I can see some problems with it, however. Foremost being, getting White guys to agree on anything is like herding cats. That is, most of us, while agreeing that the kikes want us rubbed out, we still act independently and pursue our own goals. In the not to distant past this was a virtue but in this crazy jew reality it's suicide.

The problem with the moderation system is not the moderation system....it's the mods themselves. I'll use Flynn as an example. John is a bright guy, he's an attorney, he's WN's, he's dedicated. You would think that John would be the perfect mod. The reality was he was one of the worst. He let the whole "position" go to his head and he became unbearable. Instead of remembering that VNN is a place where like-minded White Nationalists can meet and plan and discuss the things that are important to us, Flynn turned it into a brutal suppression of anything he didn't agree with.

Then there are the other side of the coin mods.(I won't mention any names) They're afraid to rock the boat. They don't like to make decisions because they think it might come back to bite them in the ass so they do nothing and hope for the best. Or wait until Alex tells them what to do. In the meantime Rome is burning and they're playing the fiddle.

But I'm for any kind of change at this point. As you and others have said the present system is broken and needs to be fixed. Maybe the members themselves can fix it under a set of guidelines that are fair to all.

This is exactly why VNN should open up the process of confining and banning to the light of day. For some, power corrupts. For others, power inhibits. Give the power -- or, at the least, significant input -- to us, all of us. Many heads are better than one head]developing consensus through the give and take of ideas themselves. Let the best idea win. This is the very strength and genius of freedom of speech among White men (only White men can handle it). Rather than a dictatorial, top down approach -- in which personality and ego and self-aggrandizement easily begin to take sway over the quality of the idea.

One more thing: If I'm not mistaken, when this board re-opened the second time around in 12/03, there were no moderators at all, correct? That's what I heard anyway. When I started posting a month later, we had only one mod and that was Georgie. And things ran quite smoothly as I remember.

I remember too when I first join the forum, was Norcal poster, trail blazing up n down the forum, with a nuke em all attitude….. a Lunatic indeed from Tel-Aviv.

You would have to be clairvoyant to know this about RM. How do you know the guy isn't just another pissed off White man who, for whatever reason, happens not to like Kaminski?

This is what I have been trying to say since day one. These attempts at sniffing out alleged jews, anti's etc is pointless. Lets say we start banning people we think are anti's. I guarantee you for every real jew we scoped out 2 innocent White guys will get blindsided in the process.

But lets say we had a perfect system. Lets say we could identify every troublemaker on this board with %100 accuracy. It would still be pointless because we can beat these morons in open, fair debate anyday of the week. I mean comon....this is VNN. Does anybody think that some halfwit jew can waltz in here and use his super powers of cunning and deception on us? Bahaa!

Besides, I like it when anti's and jews come here because I get to watch some of the big brain VNNers beat the crap out of them.

This is an excellent point. In fact, this is what AE used to say when we'd ask him to ban someone. All right. Instead of a pattern of kikeness as the touchstone, a pattern of disruptiveness and personal flaming (destroying reputation). Those, I suppose, are two of the things infiltrators would want to do. I guess this is the complaint re Augustus. So he would make a good example of how to deal with the ban issue. Some think his cynicalness is overboard, others entertaining and occasionally insightful. We would, through free and open speech in a thread, try to reach consensus regarding whether to keep or ban him. Once reached, the administrators would act accordingly.

As I think about what infiltrators would want to do -- they would also seek to worm their way into power positions (as they did at SF and BNP) and redirect into a jew-safe, anti-white direction. This is another huge advantage in diminishing the power of individuals in the forum. If we, as a group, have most of the power, there won't be much left for the infiltrator -- even if he succeeds in becoming an administrator. If he utterly starts ignoring the consensus of the members of the forum, that will tell us what we need to know about him.

Steve's amendment to this discussion is a good example of why many heads are better than one -- and of the value of freedom of speech and letting the quality of the idea rule, rather than the power of the man.

RE: Steve B

Sit down in that chair!

Fred - Tie him up and turn on the interrogation lamp.

Now Steve, why is it that we get the feeling that you don’t worship Kaminski? Haven’t we been good to you here? Haven’t we provided a place where you can be happy and where you can recite odes of joy to your heart’s content?

Now, out of the blue, comes this Kaminski problem. This is a problem that we will solve right here - tonight!

Fred - My medical kit!

Now Steve.......Is it safe to worship Kaminski?

Is it safe?

Is it safe? - Are you talking to me?

Is it safe? - Is what safe?

Is it safe? - I don't know what you mean.

I can't tell you if something is safe or not unless I know specifically what you're talking about.

Is it safe?

Tell me what the "it" refers to.

Is it safe?

Yes, it's safe. It's very safe. So safe you wouldn't believe it.

Is it safe?

No, it's not safe. It's very dangerous. Be careful.

Relax, relax. Come on. Open.

Open. It's OK.

That hurt? I should think it would.

You should take better care of your teeth. You have quite a cavity here.
Is it safe? - I told you I can't tell you...

Think he knows? - Of course. He's being very stubborn.

No, please. Please don't. No.

It's OK.

Is it not remarkable?

Simple oil of cloves and how amazing the results.

Life can be that simple]This was hilarious -- and cogent. You are a creative man and a fine asset for VNN (even if you're dead wrong about a non-physical realm of reality).

 

This is an excellent point. In fact, this is what AE used to say when we'd ask him to ban someone. All right. Instead of a pattern of kikeness as the touchstone, a pattern of disruptiveness and personal flaming (destroying reputation). That, I suppose is are two of the things infiltrators would want to do. I guess this is the complaint re Augustus. So he would make a good example of how to deal with the ban issue. Some think his cynicalness is overboard, others entertaining and occasionally insightful. We would, through free and open speech in a thread, try to reach consensus regarding whether to keep or ban him. Once reached, the administrators would act accordingly.

As I think about what infiltrators would want to do -- they would also seek to worm their way into power positions (as they did at SF and BNP) and redirect into a jew-safe, anti-white direction. This is another huge advantage in diminishing the power of individuals in the forum. If we, as a group, have most of the power, there won't be much left for the infiltrator -- even if he succeeds in becoming an administrator. If he utterly starts ignoring the consensus of the members of the forum, that will tell us what we need to know about him.

Steve's amendment to this discussion is a good example of why many heads are better than one -- and of the value of freedom of speech and letting the quality of the idea rule, rather than the power of the man.

Sutter sent me PM's along the lines, "I know all about your family and livelihood and I'm going to expose you on the board!" Said information he got from Whitefist.

Now I'm certainly not embarassed about my life, though that is how Sutter and Steve B. act like I should be. But I think it's a violation of our code of honor for someone who is presumably on our side to post personal details about someone's family and livelihood on a public board, or threaten to do so.

I never had a problem with their criticisms of me. But you'll notice that that piece of garbage Steve B who hides behind his cloak of anonymity just LOVES to post my name as much as possible on this board. Fuck that anonymous piece of shit who's profile lists his interests as "The Talmud." Maybe you should take him at his word. Anybody ever meet Steve B(erkowitz?) in person? Can anyone confirm he's not a jew or an anti?

I remember too when I first join the forum, was Norcal poster, trail blazing up n down the forum, with a nuke em all attitude….. a Lunatic indeed from Tel-Aviv.

Lol!

And he used to post in oversized type to get his whacked-out points across or shut-up the opposition...remember? Wheeeew!...he was out there!

Sutter sent me PM's along the lines, "I know all about your family and livelihood and I'm going to expose you on the board!" Said information he got from Whitefist.

Now I'm certainly not embarassed about my life, though that is how Sutter and Steve B. act like I should be. But I think it's a violation of our code of honor for someone who is presumably on our side to post personal details about someone's family and livelihood on a public board, or threaten to do so.

I never had a problem with their criticisms of me. But you'll notice that that piece of garbage Steve B who hides behind his cloak of anonymity just LOVES to post my name as much as possible on this board. Fuck that anonymous piece of shit who's profile lists his interests as "The Talmud." Maybe you should take him at his word. Anybody ever meet Steve B(erkowitz?) in person? Can anyone confirm he's not a jew or an anti?

Definitely, the exposure of a White man's identity against his will is completely unacceptable and should be grounds for banning anyone -- including people I've assumed are good and worthy White men, such as Steve B and Augustus Sutter. The exposure of a jew infiltrator's identity is another matter altogether. (I have never seen any evidence that Kievsky is anything other than White.)